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Ad Homonym Attacks

Friday, August 21, 2009 - 11:31 AM

We've learned something today, friends. We've learned that Dave can get his homonyms mixed up with this homophones and his homographs and his heteronyms and his hemoglobins.

I'm editing the original strip to reflect the correct usage of "homophones", with a doff of the cap to my various professors who e-mailed me. (It's like I'm back in grad school! They keep pulling me back in!)

Here's where my mind went astray. For some reason, I thought that "homonym" was the umbrella or catch-all term encapsulating both homophones and homographs. The Greek suffix "-nym" being "name" I *thought* put it as a classification encapsulating "-phone" ("sound") and "-graph" ("writing"). But alas, my supposition would earn me no supper tonight. Turns out I'm just a moron.

So! To my former professors, a kind thank you...and you shall get no more language classification jokes from me for a while. :)

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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Friday, August 21, 2009 - 11:33 AM (#48994)
And lest anyone be feeling punchy, the "Ad Homonym Attacks" title was a knowing joke. :)
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Hobgoblins. You forgot hobgoblins. (Score: 1)
posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 02:35 AM (#49004)

There ain't no global bloggin on blobs of hemoglobin without lobbin in hobgoblins.


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 08:38 AM (#49008)

Even though it was wrong, I thought homonyms sounded funnier. =)


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 09:59 AM (#49012)
That's actually the shame of the whole thing: "Homonyms" is an inherently funnier word that "Homophones"...and is more widely recognized, to boot. From a purely joke perspective, it's a net loss. :)
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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 12:31 PM (#49016)

It is funnier the original way. To heck with being correct. Go with teh funny joke not the boring one. Yawn.


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 01:31 PM (#49018)

With respect to those that corrected you, I think they may be factually correct, but not within the context of the strip.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Arthur got his smarts by Sheldon downloading an Encyclopedia into his brain. I further surmise that a dictionary was also probably included to give him his extensive vocabulary. When I did a definition check of "homonym" after reading the above blog post, the first listing - and hence the most common meaning - was "homophone." Since Arthur got his vocabulary from a dictionary, and the dictionry I checked gave "homophone" as the most common meaning of "homonym," I think the original strip was just fine as it was.

Of course, I don't have a PhD or nothin' fancy like that, so do with that thought what you will.


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 10:39 AM (#49042)

I like the change, actually, because it makes it rhyme. :)


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:34 AM (#49055)
In Response to WriterAtLarge (#49042):

It's now assonance, isn't it, not rhyme?

Anyway, I think the problem is that in common usage, a homonym is something which is a homograph or a homophone, whereas technically (and more usefully), it's something that is both; something with the same name both sounds and is written the same.

To put it a different way, homonym is a hyponym of homophone and homograph which is often mistaken for their hypernym.

Can you guess what it is yet?


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Friday, August 28, 2009 - 09:32 AM (#49090)
In Response to DaveKellett (#49012):

First: I have an M.A. in English and I still make this mistake, which is why my friends tend to point and laugh a lot.

Second: You're absolutely right, it's funnier with "homonyms." Brief insight into why that's true: it's based on the shape of your mouth when you say the words.

Because the "o" sound in "phones" replaces the "ih" sound of "nyms," the word no longer forces a brief smile onto the face of the speaker (yes, you can make the 'ih' sound without the brief smile-like motion, but it's not natural to do so).

Words that are generally judged to be inherently funny are usually ones that involve some combination of letters that cause the edges of the mouth to, briefly, stretch to the sides in the same way that they do when smiling. Because thought and memory are largely based on experiential maps and obscure associations made in those maps, you end up with a process along the incredibly over-simplified lines of:

Saying "KumQUAt" (capitalization on relevant syllable) -> brain saying "hey, I'm smiling" -> brain saying "if I'm smiling, I must be amused/happy." -> brain saying "that word amused me, so it must be funny."

Eventually, the need to actually form words physically for this reaction falls away, because the association of word and humour bypasses that step (or, more accurately, your brain has directly connected the sound to the reaction).

Okay, maybe that wasn't so brief and not really an insight, but I paid a lot of money for my degrees and I'm darn well going to pretend like they're useful for something.


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Re: Ad Homonym Attacks (Score: 1)
posted Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 01:37 PM (#49154)

Will there be a quiz after this discussion? Is it open book?

I must say that this thread is a rarity on the internet: witty, yet intelligent.

We're all smarter for reading this.


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